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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 4 dager ago #70586

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FA har fremmet forslag om å redusere antallet utlendinger hvert lag er tillatt å ha i sine tropper fra 17 til 12. For Tottenham, som har maks tillatte antall utlendinger, betyr dette at 5 av disse spillerne må selges og erstattes med briter.

Brexit plan to limit players from abroad at Premier League clubs

Premier League will discuss FA proposal this week


Premier League clubs will be obliged to ensure that at least half of their first-team squads are made up of “homegrown” players under drastic plans put forward by the FA to deal with Brexit. The proposal, which would reduce the number of overseas players in each 25-man squad to 12, will be put to the 20 clubs this week.

England’s top tier is under pressure to agree a deal with the FA for Brexit. If the clubs do not do so, they could face a nightmare “no-deal” scenario in which all EU players would have to fulfil the same criteria that non-EU players do now in order to get a work permit.

The clubs can have up to 17 overseas players in their squads under existing rules, but The Times has learnt that the FA’s plan would reduce that number by five. That would mean significant changes to a number of squads in the top flight, where 13 clubs have more than 12 overseas players in their first-team squads this season.

Five clubs, including Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur, have the maximum number of foreign players while four more, including Chelsea and Liverpool, have 16.

In return for an agreement to boost the number of homegrown players in first-team squads, it is understood that the FA would agree to give a “governing body endorsement” (GBE) for a work permit for every foreign player who gets a contract with a Premier League club. It believes that would still allow top foreign talent to come to England and maintain the Premier League’s global popularity, yet boost the number of English players and remove all the red tape that surrounds the process.

There would, as with all Brexit changes, be a transition period until at least the end of 2020.

The government is believed to be aware of the proposal, as is the EFL. Whitehall has made it clear that if football’s stakeholders can agree a deal for what happens regarding overseas players after Brexit, then it will be happy to sanction the new rules.

A government spokesman said: “We recognise the need for sports, including football, to continue to access talent from the EU and globally and are in discussions with sports bodies about this.”

The Premier League and the FA have been poles apart on Brexit for months, with the league insisting that it wanted all overseas players to be given work permits regardless of the criteria that exist now. The number of international caps, the Fifa ranking of the country that the player represents, the transfer fee and the player’s wages can all determine whether a work permit is granted.

The FA has been determined that Brexit should be used as an opportunity to increase the proportion of English players in the Premier League without affecting clubs’ ability to bring in top-quality overseas stars. Even before the Brexit referendum Greg Dyke, then the FA chairman, was looking at ways to reduce the number of what he referred to as “an awful lot of bog- standard foreign players”.

The proportion of English players starting top-flight matches was as low as 28 per cent only two weekends ago — 62 out of 220 players.

The clubs will be given the full details of the proposal at a meeting of chairmen in London on Thursday. Brexit will be a difficult first challenge to negotiate for the successor to Richard Scudamore, the executive chairman, who is expected to be announced this week.

The FA is thought to be comfortable with the EFL’s existing arrangements, where seven of the 18-man match-day squad have to be homegrown, including at least one who has come up through the club’s academy.

A cut in the number of foreign players would mean English players becoming more valuable in terms of transfer fees. Clubs would also be forced to use their English players more often — for example none of Chelsea’s seven homegrown players featured in the starting line-up against Everton and it has been suggested that the club is only holding on to Victor Moses and Gary Cahill to fulfil their homegrown quota.

The Premier League stressed the contribution that European players have made to the competition since restrictions on numbers were removed in 1995 by the Bosman ruling. It said: “Like many organisations dependent on a combination of domestic and international talent, we are waiting to better understand what the political and regulatory landscape will be after the UK leaves the European Union.

“Access to talented footballers from Europe has played a key part in the growth of the Premier League, with attendance and global interest increasing as high-quality foreign players have taken their place in the competition with the best British and Irish players.”

An FA spokeswoman said: “We are continuing to work with the Premier League, EFL and a range of government departments, including DCMS, Home Office, [and] Treasury during this consultation period.”

Homegrown players include those from overseas who have spent three years in English or Welsh clubs’ academies between the ages of 16 and 21. After Brexit however, academies will no longer be permitted to sign 16 and 17-year-olds from Europe and will have to wait until players are 18.

That is likely to reduce the number of homegrown players born abroad, though players who moved at 18 such as Romelu Lukaku would still qualify.

Owen Jones, a specialist in immigration sports law, said the top-flight clubs should have worries about the effect of Brexit. He said: “The Premier League and the clubs are rightly concerned that the current visa system will not allow clubs to bring the same sort of number of EU players into the UK in the future. For clubs to maintain the status quo, as near as they can, they need the visa system to change entirely or the GBE system to be taken out of that process.”

How ‘big six’ clubs would be affected by new rule
If the rule change is voted in, the traditional “big six” clubs would all have to trim the number of foreign players in their squads.

Manchester City and Tottenham Hotspur lead the way for having the most foreign players, meaning that they would each have to lose five from their squad to meet new regulations. If that rule were introduced today, it would put players such as those pictured above under threat. Brighton, Huddersfield and Watford would have similar issues.

A number of players, including Manchester United’s Paul Pogba and Romelu Lukaku, would be exempt as they played academy football here. Tottenham’s Eric Dier is considered a non-homegrown player as he played youth football at Sporting Lisbon.

Tottenham Hotspur — 17 players
Toby Alderweireld, Serge Aurier, Mousa Dembélé, Eric Dier (youth career in Portugal), Christian Eriksen, Paulo Gazzaniga, Son Heung-min, Érik Lamela, Fernando Llorente, Hugo Lloris, Georges-Kévin Nkoudou, Lucas Moura, Dávinson Sánchez, Moussa Sissoko, Jan Vertonghen, Michel Vorm, Victor Wanyama

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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 4 dager ago #70588

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Ørliten korreksjon der; regelen gjelder ikke helt konkret utlendinger/briter, men homegrowns. Dvs at feks Pogba er innafor, men Dier ikke er det (ref teksten). For å oppfylle kravene må man ha spilt i en klubb i det engelske ligasystemet i minumum 3 år før fylte 21 hvis jeg ikke tar helt feil.

Tror forøvrig ikke det blir radikalt for oss. Vorm, Llorente, Dembele og Nkoudou er alle på vei ut. 3 av disse 4 kan fint erstattes med en homegrown. Wanyama, Sissoko og Aurier (som fint bør kunne erstattes av KWP) kan fort ryke ila 1-2 sesonger i tillegg. Da har man masse ledige slots.

Problemet hvis dette blir vedtatt, slik jeg ser det, er vel at prisene på homegrowns kommer til å eksplodere og bli enda mer uproposjonale med resten av markedet enn de allerede er.

Forøvrig synes jeg egentlig dette bare er bra. Hvis det skjer, det eneste fornuftige som kommer ut av Brexit.
"Soldado, oh oh oh, Soldado, oh oh oh, he came from sunny Spain, to train with Harry Kane"
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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 4 dager ago #70589

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Dougie skrev:
Ørliten korreksjon der; regelen gjelder ikke helt konkret utlendinger/briter, men homegrowns. Dvs at feks Pogba er innafor, men Dier ikke er det (ref teksten). For å oppfylle kravene må man ha spilt i en klubb i det engelske ligasystemet i minumum 3 år før fylte 21 hvis jeg ikke tar helt feil.

Dette er vel ikke helt avklart i en eventuell ny ordning virker det som, men det er vel omtrent slik UEFA klassifiserer "homegrown".
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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 4 dager ago #70591

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Slik jeg tolket artikkelen, er det vel i FAs forslag snakk om samme homegrownsystem som er i PL idag, altså ganske likt det Uefa opererer med ja. Alternativet (med arbeidstillatelse) virker iallefall mye verre!
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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 3 dager ago #70598

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Synst det er veldig rart at Dier ikkje reknast som homegrown når han spelar på det engelske landslaget...
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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 3 dager ago #70601

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Andreas skrev:
Synst det er veldig rart at Dier ikkje reknast som homegrown når han spelar på det engelske landslaget...
+ at han har gått igjennom alle aldersbestemte engelske landslag! Burde åpenbart vært et unntak i regelen.
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Brexit og Premier League 11 måneder 2 dager ago #70603

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Dougie skrev:
Slik jeg tolket artikkelen, er det vel i FAs forslag snakk om samme homegrownsystem som er i PL idag, altså ganske likt det Uefa opererer med ja. Alternativet (med arbeidstillatelse) virker iallefall mye verre!

Tror ikke FA blir fristilt fra engelske arbeidsmarkedsregler post brexit. Nærmer seg forhåpentligvis en avklaring på akkurat den biten i disse dager.
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